9 comments on “The Constitution Will Hang By A…Nothing

  1. I remember having this conversation with you years ago! I grew up hearing this oft-repeated myth so it’s nice to finally have it laid to rest. Thanks m!

  2. You guys arent calling Brigham Young, J. Reuben Clark, Ezra Taft Benson, Joseph F. Smith and many other aposltes and prophets perpetuators of an ” oft-repeated myth” are you. All of these great men believed this prophecy.

    Even if it could have been verified historically it wouldnt make it church doctrine. The prophecy of Joseph Smith that the saints would settle in the rocky mountains isnt doctrine. The prophet made thousands of prophecies that arent doctrine but still are to our benefit to learn and study about.

    • “You guys arent calling Brigham Young, J. Reuben Clark, Ezra Taft Benson, Joseph F. Smith and many other aposltes and prophets perpetuators of an ‘oft-repeated myth’ are you”

      Well, as the Church spokeswoman said, it’s based on accounts that aren’t verified.  Those men you list are just as susceptible to repeat unverified statements as anybody else.  I don’t expect them to be perfect.

      A few conferences ago, Elder Oaks said the numbers of earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. has been rising over the past 50+ years (or something like that) and said it was a sign of the last days.  Now, I believe we’re in the last days and that he’s right about that.  However, I also know that a big reason those events seem to be increasing is because our ability to monitor, measure and report on those events is also increasing.

      Does that make him a false prophet?  Certainly not.  His point about the last days still stands, even if that one small piece of evidence might not.  Does that make him a perpetuator of a myth?  If it turns out to be a myth, then yes.  But he’s still a prophet.

      • I’m not sure I follow. I agree with you that “Those men you list are just as susceptible to repeat unverified statements as anybody else.” However, this isnt one prophet who happened to make one remark about something. There are litterally dozens of prohets who made dozens of statements in support of this teaching. If we were talking about the “Adam-God” theory or some other set of isolated remarks that are completely out of line with what that prophet and every other prophet taught I could see calling this a myth. But, this is far from that. Though the “White Horse” prophecy cant be historically verified the concept of the Constitution being challenged and the Elders of the church saving it being taught by Joseph Smith can be. Here is a really good article on this. http://www.fairlds.org/pubs/whitehorse.pdf

        The church spokeperson never said this was a myth, just that it cant be historically verified and not church doctrine. Which I totally agree with, but the fact that so many prophets have also taught and believed it that is plenty good for me.

        Personally, if there is a group of people who think this is a myth and another group, prophets and apostles, who believe the prophecy, I think I will just go ahead and believe it.

        • Well, I’ll quote the .pdf you linked to (which was fascinating, by the way):

          “Although it may have true elements contained in the text as recorded in the diary, it nevertheless is not something members of the Church of Jesus Christ consider canon or scripture.  Nor is belief in the details binding upon members of the Church.”

          Which is really all I was saying in the first place.

          Also, this quote:

          “It is important to remember that the credibility of the text is suspect from the very first.”

          Also, I would point out that FAIR is not affiliated with the Church nor authorized to speak on their behalf…

  3. “We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: “Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction” (19 July 1840, as recorded by Martha Jane Knowlton Coray; ms. in Church Historian’s Office, Salt Lake City)…………I have faith that the Constitution will be saved as prophesied by Joseph Smith. It will be saved by the righteous citizens of this nation who love and cherish freedom. It will be saved by enlightened members of this Church—among others—men and women who understand and abide the principles of the Constitution.” (Conference Report, Octover 1987)
    -Ezra Taft Benson

    “Joseph Smith, the prophet, was inspired to affirm and ratify this truth, and he further predicted that the time would come, when the Constitution of our country would hang as it were by a thread, and that the Latter-day Saints above all other people in the world would come to the rescue of that great and glorious palladium of our liberty.”( Conference Report, October 1912, p.10).
    -Joseph F. Smith

    “when the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it” (Journal of Discourses 2:182).
    -Brigham Young

    “How long will it be before the words of the prophet Joseph will be fulfilled? He said if the Constitution of the United States were saved at all it must be done by this people. It will not be many years before these words come to pass” (JOD 12:204).
    -Brigham Young

    “You and I have heard all our lives that the time may come when the Constitution may hang by a thread. I do not know whether it is a thread, or a small rope by which it now hangs, but I do know that whether it shall live or die is now in the balance” (Conference Report, October 1942, p.58).
    -J. Reuben Clark

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